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Tenebrae · May 28, 2009, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman002

yeah make the game even easier...acctually while we are at it can we have a fame trader so i can just buy some of that instead of acctually having to play for it.

Thats it . Its a "hi , i dont like this so lets change it because i say so"

/notsigned a million times

Get ZCoins or do HM and buy them from another players , its bloody easy.

PahaLukki · May 28, 2009, 05:57 PM // 17:57

Selling stuff to others is a bother, and I have a mesmer book just wasting space at the xunlai box. And it would also be great to be able to buy the non-elite tomes at less than 1k because buying skills for characters is just so expensive, there should at least be some benefit to having them unlocked or something. Dunno about elites, that would mean one could buy the title of legendary skill hunter, but then again it probably would cost a legendary amount so I don't really care about that either. Like 7000 for an elite, that's pretty reasonable I suppose.

/signed

gameshoes3003 · May 28, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Use skill trainer, or buy with Z-coins.
If you want to make tomes more expensive than 1k, then it's just better to buy skills from the trainer.
Zaishen rewards allow you to get tomes, and even elite tomes, there is little need for a tome trader.
/notsigned

Bluefeather · May 29, 2009, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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Originally Posted by 1337 H4X

Brain problem?
Easy enough as it is now, more suggestions for easy gwamm can get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed

brain problem indeed.

and you got a big one.

if gwamm is easy as you claim, shouldn't we see lots of people walking around with such title. i'm sure we can see some. but if its easy enough, at least half of the people in kamadan should be displaying their gwamm title.

hey i cant read ur name

what does it mean?

LOL

MithranArkanere · May 29, 2009, 01:56 PM // 13:56

It's easy to get, but time consuming. If you play only 2 hours per day, no way you are getting it soon.

tadevil · May 29, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

While we're at it lets add a trader that sells zkeys, one that sells weapon mods oh and you can't forget armbraces we must have a trader for those!

On are more serious note; are you RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? This game is easy enough as it is, it became even easier with tomes introduced but now you want to step way over the line and add a trader? No thanks if you want an easier game than pacman then play tic-tac-toe with yourself just don't turn Guild Wars into it.

Yawgmoth · May 29, 2009, 10:54 PM // 22:54

I'm almost always AGAINST changes that make something in the game unnecessarily *easier*, but in this case it's NOT making the game easier. It's a straight TRADING improvement! Skill tomes are all entirely BUYABLE and you can buy them FAST if you shout WTB offering higher than average price. And that price is the price you'd see at the trader.

So what part of the game you want harder? The WTB/WTS spamming makes game hard?
rotflmao

Artemis Lagrasse · May 29, 2009, 11:00 PM // 23:00

This could go both ways.

I dunno how well the idea of an NPC Tome Trader would work for the purchase of elite tomes. They tend to be more expensive than purchasing a Signet of Capture at its max price, which is pretty ridiculous when you think about it. Going out for already capped elite skills may take a hell of a lot longer than simply using an elite tome, but I would rather spend 1k on a cap sig and then re-capping, let's say for example, a single elite Monk skill during my not-so-abundant free time, than spending 8-10k (a rather extortionate amount of gold for something that only gives you access to a single skill, even if it is an elite skill and is much less time-consuming than re-capping, IMO) on an elite Monk Tomb that gets me the same thing.

This might work well for reg. tomes, though, since even the most expensive ones are cheaper than paying 1k each time you want to purchase a skill that you have already unlocked on another character.

I personally have 6 characters, all of them sharing at least one profession. That means I may end up spending up to 2 or 3k (more or less, depending on the prof. the skill is for) for the same skill, and that can add up to quite a lot if I want to purchase a lot of the same skills, along w/purchasing all new ones for each character and for all my heroes, if I choose.

And what if I need to buy a lot of other stuff, like armor, runes, better weapons, GH stuff, and all those other much-needed things but only have so much gold to buy them with? I not only have a rather limited amount of gold relative to the high cost of most of the items I am trying to save up for. I also have a rather limited amount of time on-line to spend on getting through my quests and missions, and even less time to spend on other often tedious and time-consuming activities, like farming, trading, earning Z-Coins, ect.

Overall, I support the idea for an NPC Tome Trader, even if I personally would most likely only use it for non-elite skills.

]HM[ Sabre Wolf · May 29, 2009, 11:41 PM // 23:41

/notsigned

would throw the balence of the game off... and there are already "traders" with the Zaishen Coins... I consider that fair enough

Elephantaliste · May 31, 2009, 08:01 PM // 20:01

we all agree its easy to get... but its hard to get rid of...

sounds like those voting no are just considering the "get new tomes" possibilities but not at all the "get rid of your tomes" possibilities.

MithranArkanere · Jun 01, 2009, 10:58 AM // 10:58

I just use them all. There is no profession that could not use at least some elite from any other profession.

draxynnic · Jun 02, 2009, 05:31 AM // 05:31

While I'm ambivalent regarding the initial suggestion...

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

And which would be the minimum price for an elite tome?
Based on ZCoin conversion (discarding the extra gold prices, just the Coins) if a Small Back costs 2500 and also 5 silver (250 cooperZCoins). Then each cooper Zcoin would mean 10 gold.
Elite tomes cost 2 gold, and that's 1000 cooper.

So each tome would have to had a minimum value of 10K.

Would you use the tome trader if you had to pay a minimum of 10k to buy a tome from them, and get paid less when selling them?

Economic arguments based on zcoin values is inherently flawed - Linsey has already stated that most items available at the zcoin collectors are deliberately on the overpriced side to prevent zcoins from being the default method of acquisition (the exception being, of course, those items that can ONLY be acquired through the use of zcoins).

With this in mind, the real effect of the ability to trade zcoins for elite tomes probably isn't so much to set a minimum limit as to produce a soft maximum - in the unlikely event that the price for tomes grows so high that zcoins become a more efficient method of acquisition, then demand at the trader will dry up until the price drops. (In fact, the mere presence of a trader may result in a drop in prices, as players currently hoarding elite tomes 'just in case' they see someone looking to buy one may decide to cash it in to the trader straight away instead. I know I have one that'll be gone as soon as I can sell it for something approaching market value, but I prefer to spend my playtime playing instead of sitting around waiting for a buyer.)

(Idly, I'd largely agree with Artemis regarding the price of elite tomes. If you have access to the zone, running out in easymode to cap a skill is more time-efficient than buying a tome. I tend to think the main point to elite tomes has more to do with the player wanting to skip the effort of getting out there in the first place.)

Neo Atomisk · Jun 02, 2009, 02:11 PM // 14:11

1) we have that, its called gold/silver zcoin rewards
2) This would simply replace skill trainers.
3) Having tomes easily accessible would kind of break the entire skills system. I like to use tomes on new characters, yes, but skill aren't accessible to later in the game for a reason.

/unsigned

Bristlebane · Jun 02, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

A Tome Trader is better than tomes off Zaishen NPCs. Tomes off Z are all same price, no matter if it's a dirt common Assassin Elite, or a Monk Elite. At least a Tome trader would adapt prices after supply/demand.

/signed

Bristlebane · Jul 08, 2009, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Please give us a tome trader ^^
It's so annoying to have to spam Kamadan for just a few tomes.

Taking *any* item of the spam fest in Kamadan can never be bad :-)